How much obedience is appropriate?

Without question, I’m spoiled by my working environment. Hoover’s is one of those rare companies where virtually everyone is nice, to the point that crabby or Machiavellian people never last here. (There’s a reason we rate so high in “best places to work” polls.) So no doubt my perspective is skewed when I consider the tale of “Bob” in this Chris Brogan post:

Shut Up — You’re Helping the Customer!

The basic issue: “Bob” was using social media to talk to his company’s customers online. Despite enthusiastic engagement from the customers, some managers within Bob’s company didn’t like this online interaction and told him to shut it down. But Bob’s enthusiasm for engaging with customers — or else his unwisdom in disobeying direct orders — kept him from obeying.

Now Bob’s job is at risk. But should it be?

Especially because of the complex responses that Chris’s post have drawn, my Saturday-morning thoughts on this issue have grown long, so I’ll leave the rest of the post after the jump. Join me, won’t you?

Chris’s post has inspired more than sixty comments, including two mini-essays from me (here and here). Many of these comments (including my original short take) have made broad assumptions about either (a) how right Bob was to fight the benighted powers-that-be at his company, or (b) how right the powers-that-be were to shut down a rogue player like Bob.

Partly we in the audience are hamstrung by not knowing all the details of the story. As I said in one of my comments,

. . . we don’t know whether [Bob]’s a model employee or a steady source of problems for his managers, whether the organization is generally functional or dysfunctional, whether Bob handled these situations with high or low emotional intelligence, et cetera. In particular, we DON’T know whether there are liability or regulatory issues attached to his communications . . .

My last couple of comments have drawn smart rejoinders from Chip Griffin, who holds the view — expressed in a post of his own — that employees should “follow legitimate orders or resign.”

Well, there’s the rub, isn’t it? Is an order legitimate simply because it comes from a superior? Lucretia Pruitt, another commenter on Chris’s post, brought up an excellent analogy when she wrote

Even in the armed forces, when an order is irrational it is a soldier’s duty to question it.

That’s why I put the picture of Marines at the top of this post. Marine officers have an explicit duty to question orders from above that they believe to be illegal or mistaken.

Now, Chip agrees with Lucretia and me that Bob has a right (or a duty?) to question irrational orders. But in Chip’s post about this, the emphasis is on the damage caused by “loose cannons” like Bob:

You Can’t Ignore Your Boss: Loose Cannons Threaten Corporate Social Media Adoption

Let me hasten to say that Chip’s a smart person who’s clearly thought about these issues a lot, and that the view he expresses is sensible. But it’s also slanted all in one direction. Although he agrees that we don’t have all the details we’d need to pass a dispositive verdict on Bob’s behavior, he latches onto one statement more than I think he should:

“My boss at this point told me to stop what I was doing and to not further engage with them anymore,” Bob told Chris. That seems pretty cut and dried, right? Not to Bob, apparently. Since he disagreed with his manager’s instruction, he chose to simply disregard it.

It worth pausing, at this moment, to consider how many layers of recollection, hearsay, and extrapolation we’re dealing with. I’m also acutely aware that I’m blogging about a blog post about comments to another blog post about an anonymized e-mail exchange about recollections of oral conversations . . . The recursive nature of all this may be dizzying, but I think the underlying business issue is worth it. So let’s look again at what Bob originally said:

“My boss at this point told me to stop what I was doing and to not further engage with them anymore.”

That could be as cut-and-dried as Chip suggests — or maybe not. If your experience is anything like mine, you know that there’s many a slip twixt cup and lip when it comes to communication. Maybe Bob’s boss said something like this:

“Bob, if you go on that forum even once more, your job will be on the line. I mean, I don’t want you logging into it again — not on your own time, not ever.”

In which case it would take childlike naivete on Bob’s part — or else a subconscious wish to be fired — to log back in. But what if Bob’s boss said something like this?

“Bob, listen — you’ve gotta cut this out because you’re ruffling too many feathers. I mean, okay, if a customer asks you a direct question you can answer as part of your regular duties, go ahead and answer it. But you can’t be spending all this time engaging in these forums, got it?”

If the boss said that, there’s wiggle room for interpretation — especially when we consider the two men’s different perspectives and the potential influence of different learning, thinking, and communication styles. (Pretend we have time for a mini-seminar on MBTI and multiple-intelligences theory here.) For instance, Bob might legitimately walk away from this conversation feeling chastened, but believing that he is empowered to “speak when spoken to” in social-media settings so as not to leave customers hanging.

Mind you, my fictional stabs at what the boss might have said are just cartoon versions from opposite ends of a spectrum of choices, but either of them — or many different phrasings in-between — could have resulted in the statement that Bob made about what his boss told him.

More to the point in dealing with Chip’s rebuttal is this: just because something sounds cut-and-dried at third hand doesn’t mean that it is. Yet Chip hews to the cut-and-dried view throughout his piece, and although he raises vital and correct points about the risks that Bob’s actions might create for the company, he consistently casts Bob in an unfavorable light with phrases like these:

  • “Bob chose to willfully and flagrantly disregard his employer’s instruction.”
  • “. . . apparently Bob is the sole arbiter of what is valid . . .”
  • “Loose cannons get companies into trouble . . .”

Let me hasten to add, again, that Chip might be right about all of these things. He might. But I don’t agree that we have enough evidence to go on to conclude with certainty that Bob is a loose cannon, or that Bob believes he’s the sole arbiter of anything.

To put it another way, we don’t know that Bob chose to flagrantly ignore or wilfully disregard anything. While it seems clear that Bob could’ve advocated his positions in better ways, he may have felt whipsawed by the competing duties of obeying orders and fielding legitimate (but social-media-conveyed) requests from customers. Again, we’re speculating at third hand here, but from where I sit there’s no necessary reason the speculations have to question Bob’s best intentions.

As I said in one of my comments on Chris’s original post,

Maybe I’m just feeling my oats today, or maybe I’m drawing too heavily on many years spent at a progressive company where impasses like this are virtually inconceivable, but I’m having a hard time getting behind the idea that someone passionately devoted to the best interests of the company should submit to the ignorance or timidity of middle-management.

So, I admit my own bias — not in the direction of the “Social Media Kool Aid” that Chip (rightly) derides, but in the direction of employees having a duty to do what’s best for the company, rather than a duty to appease their individual managers.

One more thing worth thinking about comes in the closing lines of Chip’s article:

Employees do not have the right to ignore corporate policies they disagree with. It’s fine to disagree, make your case, or ask for an explanation. But the choice is clear: follow legitimate orders or resign. [Emphasis in original.]

I don’t believe Chip’s statement is true — or, at least, it’s not universally true. I believe there are times when the better course of action is to force the issue to a head, that is, to force the company come to the point of firing you.

The outcome might be the same — and if you’re gonna fight authority, you should keep in mind that authority usually wins. But the process of forcing the issue could allow Bob to raise the question of what his company’s “legitimate” interests are in terms of social media. That might bring beneficial change to the company, rather than costing the company both a passionate (if blundering) employee like Bob and the opportunity to learn and grow as an organization.

But I invite your feedback. In fact, if the issue intrigues you, I hope you’ll read Chris’s post and Chip’s article, then tell me whether what I’ve said here makes sense.

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8 Comments so far

Lucretia Pruitt November 15th, 2008 12:54 pm

Very nicely said and much more rationally than I could put it.

In looking over those comments, there are 2 main types of people commenting – those who believe that ‘right or wrong, if a superior says it, it is always right’ and those who believe that ‘if a superior gives you a direction that you know will damage the company, you have a moral obligation to either disobey it or leave the company.’

Yes, I fall in the latter category. Because I know that managers are promoted to the level of their incompetence (see: The Peter Principle) and that many a company has been lost due to the lack of questioning authority (see: Enron).

The real issue in the thread is control. Who has it? Who wants it? Who thinks they should have it by default?

What we’re learning (the hard way) about new media, the internet, and the groundswell phenomenon is that “business as usual” doesn’t work any more. Your customers are out there talking about you – and you can either join in the conversation and potentially influence it – or ignore it at your peril. You don’t get to control them, nor what they say. Seeking to hold onto some modicum of ‘perceived control’ by refusing to let anyone engage them is a foolish idea at best.

Here, too, is another thing that was not brought up in that discussion: if “Bob” has been engaging customers and their perception of the company has shifted to a positive one as a result, dismissing Bob for doing that is bound to have a negative impact on those customers. Bad call… better to redefine the role so that Bob can continue to engage customers but within company guidelines. If you don’t have company guidelines for it? You’d better get some.
Because when Bob disappears? Your customers are going to be talking about it and you have NO WAY TO CONTROL THEM.

Sad but true… Those who are inflexible in their thinking will find themselves wondering why the ship sank when the ‘got rid of’ the ‘loose cannon.’

Chip Griffin November 15th, 2008 1:51 pm

Excellent article and some good points here. Let me address what I perceive to be the thrust of your concern about my commentary.

My assertion that Bob understood his manager’s order without ambiguity is based on the clear and convincing language that Bob himself used to describe that instruction. If it had been his boss’s words, then I would agree that ambiguity is possible. But since Bob is recounting the story and notes no ambiguity, then a reasonable person must assume that Bob understood the direction he was given.

As to questioning authority, by all means go for it. But even in the Marines one is obligated to follow all lawful orders. And there is no allegation that Bob was asked to do anything illegal, immoral, or unethical.

Tim Walker November 15th, 2008 2:05 pm

Thanks for the reply, Chip. And listen, you MAY be right. The boss’s instruction may have been totally unambiguous. Bob may simply have blundered. But before we pass an open-and-shut verdict on him, we ought to think about how much we’re reading into one sentence — and a sentence written by a guy who’s currently pretty beaten down by circumstances.

Also, the military analogy goes only so far. I do take your point that Bob may be best served to resign if he’s not willing to comply with his managers’ instructions. But a corporation isn’t a battalion.

Vicki November 15th, 2008 3:45 pm

Read the original article again. Bob isn’t a loose canon who wandered off in defiance of his company’s policies to engage the customers on his own and then ignored his manager when the manager found out and told him to stop. This all came apart “after he got permission to engage with these people on a popular online forum around his products”.

He had permission. His boss did a 180 turn on him.

And it gets worse. The complaint came, not from Bob’s manager or even from Bob’s manager’s manager, but from a manager in another division – a division that (apparently) neither Bob nor his manager report into.

That’s the thing that bothers me about the original “Bob” story. This isn’t about “disregarding his employer’s instruction”. (Except in a very small company, your manager is not your employer. Your manager is not “the company”.)

This isn’t about employees ignoring corporate policies they disagree with. There’s nothing in the original article that indicates there IS a corporate policy.

This isn’t even the CEO or Bob’s upper management saying “cut it out”. This is “another manager from a different division of our company” saying he advises against interacting with customers in this way… and Bob’s manager failing in his own duty as a manager.

I believe (and I’m not alone in this way of thinking) that a manager’s job is to protect his employees and to remove obstacles from their way. Bob’s manager should have been protecting him from the other division manager.

Bob and his manager could have met to discuss how to educate the rest of the company. Or they could have continued as they had begun. But they didn’t.

I don’t blame Bob. You could say he was still working under his original “orders” (permission). I blame Bob’s manager. And when Bob leaves, and the customers figure out why, I don’t feel sorry for Bob’s manager at all.

Paul Merrill November 15th, 2008 4:40 pm

Wow, Tim, you did a lot of thinking on Chris’s post. I’m not sure how to approach the issue, but you are right about the bottom-line authority aspect… if we as employees don’t like the situation, we ultimately can exercise the right to walk out the door. But that is hard to do in today’s economy!

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Devin @ CoolProducts November 19th, 2008 11:06 am

“But the choice is clear: follow legitimate orders or resign”

What exactly makes an order legit? I definitely feel that there can be a lot of gray area when trying to figure out if something is legitimate or not. In my opinion, if a manager were to tell me to stop doing something that I strongly felt was beneficial to the company, I would bypass his authority and bring it up with a higher authority. Assuming that you are correct in your eval of the benefits of your actions, climbing the chain of hierarchy could not only get you an OK to perform that task, but as well get you in upper-authorities mind when promotions are considered. However, if even they decline to see you or tell you to stop as well, you may face even more problems with your manager because you attempted to outmaneuver their authority, and that will really peeve a manager. In this case, if it doesn’t work out in your favor, I’d say if you can, leave the job. Find a more flexible business that will allow you more autonomy.

“And it gets worse. The complaint came, not from Bob’s manager or even from Bob’s manager’s manager, but from a manager in another division – a division that (apparently) neither Bob nor his manager report into.”

If this comment by Vicki is true, then I do not feel that the employee would have to make any change because of the orders of a different division’s manager. The employee should bring the situation up with his manager, who I doubt would be too pleased to know another manager is encroaching on his turf. Then the employee can allow his manager to make a decision over your actions.

Overall, if a company refuses to be flexible, and even goes towards fighting flexibility, I personally would leave because in changing times, being fixed will kill you.

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