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		<title>By: Kate Management Skills</title>
		<link>http://www.hooversbiz.com/2009/02/20/what-works-better-than-an-auto-dm/comment-page-1/#comment-15555</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Management Skills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great post. I have to say that I don&#039;t use any social media, I am not on Face Book, even though this drives my friends around the bend I just see no use for it, and for Twitter I have seen the site but have yet to register, I can see how popular it is and that now more and more companies, are getting involved with it in order to promote their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great post. I have to say that I don&#8217;t use any social media, I am not on Face Book, even though this drives my friends around the bend I just see no use for it, and for Twitter I have seen the site but have yet to register, I can see how popular it is and that now more and more companies, are getting involved with it in order to promote their business.</p>
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		<title>By: What not to say in a Twitter auto-DM. -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>What not to say in a Twitter auto-DM. -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] before why using automatic direct messages (DMs) on Twitter is often a bad idea. But since I wrote my initial post on the subject, I&#8217;ve softened my view. Some people use auto-DMs as a simple way to convey a friendly hello. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] before why using automatic direct messages (DMs) on Twitter is often a bad idea. But since I wrote my initial post on the subject, I&#8217;ve softened my view. Some people use auto-DMs as a simple way to convey a friendly hello. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Top February 2009 posts. -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</title>
		<link>http://www.hooversbiz.com/2009/02/20/what-works-better-than-an-auto-dm/comment-page-1/#comment-14110</link>
		<dc:creator>Top February 2009 posts. -- Hoover&#8217;s Business Insight Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What Works Better than an Auto-DM. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Kelly. In my view, Twitter is going through growing pains much like other media have in the past: first it&#039;s about the utility of the medium, whether we&#039;re talking about printed books or radio or the Web or whatever . . . and then businesspeople -- some savvy and some tone-deaf -- take hold of it for business purposes. And there&#039;s always resistance to this shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Kelly. In my view, Twitter is going through growing pains much like other media have in the past: first it&#8217;s about the utility of the medium, whether we&#8217;re talking about printed books or radio or the Web or whatever . . . and then businesspeople &#8212; some savvy and some tone-deaf &#8212; take hold of it for business purposes. And there&#8217;s always resistance to this shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.hooversbiz.com/2009/02/20/what-works-better-than-an-auto-dm/comment-page-1/#comment-14081</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advertising on Twitter is already rampant - it&#039;s just less direct, asymmetrical in terms of links and keywords, and tends to show up most often as a &quot;twitterfeed&quot; or branded background or profile pic. Now I just need to figure out how to become a &quot;suggested user&quot;, i.e. Twitter&#039;s first implicit foray into commercialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertising on Twitter is already rampant &#8211; it&#8217;s just less direct, asymmetrical in terms of links and keywords, and tends to show up most often as a &#8220;twitterfeed&#8221; or branded background or profile pic. Now I just need to figure out how to become a &#8220;suggested user&#8221;, i.e. Twitter&#8217;s first implicit foray into commercialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Draper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely that it&#039;s BETTER to greet people individually, but it&#039;s just not cost effective.  I wish I could afford to hire someone to sit at the keyboard all day and do that. But marketing is a numbers game.  I picked up ~6K followers in February.  At 5 minutes each, that&#039;s 500 hours of work to personally research and greet each follower.  If I could have found someone to do that for $12/hour the campaign would have cost $6,000.  The amount of revenue we brought in for that effort wouldn&#039;t justify it.  But the auto-DM didn&#039;t cost anything other than offending some people that probably wouldn&#039;t have bought any products anyway.  The fact that people continue to follow our tweets indicates to me that they&#039;re getting good value out of the relationship, so I think everyone wins.  But I&#039;m not doing this just because I&#039;m such a nice guy and want to give out free information.

For the people that do the research themselves and build a personalized welcome message, I&#039;d submit that they&#039;re not valuing their time correctly. You may think your own time is free, but there&#039;s an opportunity cost to everything.

What I find interesting is the strong undercurrent among many on this subject that advertising of any sort on Twitter is a bad thing.  What is going to happen to Twitter when they finally get a business model that involves putting commercial messages in front of people?  Eventually they&#039;ll have to start making money or it&#039;s gong to shut down.  Nothing in life is free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely that it&#8217;s BETTER to greet people individually, but it&#8217;s just not cost effective.  I wish I could afford to hire someone to sit at the keyboard all day and do that. But marketing is a numbers game.  I picked up ~6K followers in February.  At 5 minutes each, that&#8217;s 500 hours of work to personally research and greet each follower.  If I could have found someone to do that for $12/hour the campaign would have cost $6,000.  The amount of revenue we brought in for that effort wouldn&#8217;t justify it.  But the auto-DM didn&#8217;t cost anything other than offending some people that probably wouldn&#8217;t have bought any products anyway.  The fact that people continue to follow our tweets indicates to me that they&#8217;re getting good value out of the relationship, so I think everyone wins.  But I&#8217;m not doing this just because I&#8217;m such a nice guy and want to give out free information.</p>
<p>For the people that do the research themselves and build a personalized welcome message, I&#8217;d submit that they&#8217;re not valuing their time correctly. You may think your own time is free, but there&#8217;s an opportunity cost to everything.</p>
<p>What I find interesting is the strong undercurrent among many on this subject that advertising of any sort on Twitter is a bad thing.  What is going to happen to Twitter when they finally get a business model that involves putting commercial messages in front of people?  Eventually they&#8217;ll have to start making money or it&#8217;s gong to shut down.  Nothing in life is free.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points, Don -- and if your auto-DM is helping to drive your business in this economy, I&#039;m not going to tell you to turn it off. (That said, have we telemarketed to you?)

I would note, though, that there will be lots of asymmetries: your account and mine may both be business-oriented (though yours is tagged with your own name), but your message will go out to anybody, whether they&#039;re business or personal or whatever. If you&#039;re okay with losing some people because of that, so be it. I might draw an analogy to the few people who act offended when they find out that much of our content sits behind a subscription wall . . . and yet we still have to pay the bills.

Maybe the bigger issue we&#039;re running into is the evolution of Twitter into different kinds of channels. Just like some early &quot;purist&quot; bloggers wailed about people getting into blogging for money, there will be those who wail about Twitter being used for commerce -- or, rather, used at a commercial scale.

All that said, I still think it&#039;s BETTER to greet people individually. But maybe that&#039;s a matter of taste?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points, Don &#8212; and if your auto-DM is helping to drive your business in this economy, I&#8217;m not going to tell you to turn it off. (That said, have we telemarketed to you?)</p>
<p>I would note, though, that there will be lots of asymmetries: your account and mine may both be business-oriented (though yours is tagged with your own name), but your message will go out to anybody, whether they&#8217;re business or personal or whatever. If you&#8217;re okay with losing some people because of that, so be it. I might draw an analogy to the few people who act offended when they find out that much of our content sits behind a subscription wall . . . and yet we still have to pay the bills.</p>
<p>Maybe the bigger issue we&#8217;re running into is the evolution of Twitter into different kinds of channels. Just like some early &#8220;purist&#8221; bloggers wailed about people getting into blogging for money, there will be those who wail about Twitter being used for commerce &#8212; or, rather, used at a commercial scale.</p>
<p>All that said, I still think it&#8217;s BETTER to greet people individually. But maybe that&#8217;s a matter of taste?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Draper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim - I&#039;m not criticizing you or saying that you&#039;re whining, but a lot of prominent bloggers on this subject certainly have been whining about getting a flood of DMs.  Which is funny, because there&#039;s only one way to get a flood.

Let&#039;s just summarize the interaction we had. We&#039;re at a business networking party (you&#039;re a business account, I&#039;m a business account, which anyone can see by looking at our profiles).  I said &quot;Hi&quot; on Feb 20.  I say &quot;Hi&quot; to a lot of people because I&#039;m on Twitter to network.  You came back and said &quot;Hi&quot;, so I handed you my business card.  I&#039;m not sure I see what the problem is.  If you don&#039;t want to be at the same party I&#039;m at, then don&#039;t follow me and we both move on.

While many people may be offended by auto-DMs, many are not.  We&#039;ve seen our feedburner stats almost double since adding an auto DM that let&#039;s people know how to subscribe.  We&#039;ve also seen a bump in sales.  There&#039;s a steady diet of useful information in our tweets, so following us is worth it to 11K+ people right now.  And for the people that are super offended, I&#039;m guessing they&#039;re not in our target market anyway.

Now you must admit that it&#039;s just a little bit funny to read an article about not auto-DMing from Hoovers.  I&#039;d rather receive an auto-DM than a telemarketing call by a factor of about 1,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim &#8211; I&#8217;m not criticizing you or saying that you&#8217;re whining, but a lot of prominent bloggers on this subject certainly have been whining about getting a flood of DMs.  Which is funny, because there&#8217;s only one way to get a flood.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just summarize the interaction we had. We&#8217;re at a business networking party (you&#8217;re a business account, I&#8217;m a business account, which anyone can see by looking at our profiles).  I said &#8220;Hi&#8221; on Feb 20.  I say &#8220;Hi&#8221; to a lot of people because I&#8217;m on Twitter to network.  You came back and said &#8220;Hi&#8221;, so I handed you my business card.  I&#8217;m not sure I see what the problem is.  If you don&#8217;t want to be at the same party I&#8217;m at, then don&#8217;t follow me and we both move on.</p>
<p>While many people may be offended by auto-DMs, many are not.  We&#8217;ve seen our feedburner stats almost double since adding an auto DM that let&#8217;s people know how to subscribe.  We&#8217;ve also seen a bump in sales.  There&#8217;s a steady diet of useful information in our tweets, so following us is worth it to 11K+ people right now.  And for the people that are super offended, I&#8217;m guessing they&#8217;re not in our target market anyway.</p>
<p>Now you must admit that it&#8217;s just a little bit funny to read an article about not auto-DMing from Hoovers.  I&#8217;d rather receive an auto-DM than a telemarketing call by a factor of about 1,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Don. A few points:

1. Did I say anything about &quot;a flood of auto-DMs&quot;? My whole post is about the 1-on-1 nature of a Twitter DM. I can affirm that I *haven&#039;t* received a flood of them. It&#039;s just that many of the ones I *do* receive are grating, and I hate to see people undercut themselves like that.

2. We don&#039;t follow people indiscriminately. We decline to follow back plenty of people who follow us. And yeah, we did follow a lot of people early on as we were getting the hang of Twitter, such that last summer we had something like 40% as many following us as we were following. Now that ratio is above 90%, and still rising.

3. Whining? Really? I wrote the post to suggest another -- better -- way of going about things. If we disagree about my tone, so be it, but I&#039;m not a whiner by nature and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a fair characterization of what I was doing here.

4. There&#039;s plenty of disagreement about what kind of coctail party Twitter should be, and I&#039;m fine with a broad diversity of opinions about it. But for people who are trying to put the best foot forward, it&#039;s better to undersell than oversell, just as it&#039;s better to keep your business cards in your pocket before you&#039;re *sure* the event you&#039;re attending is a networking mixer. In this vein, it&#039;s worth pointing out again that *most* Twitterites I&#039;ve encountered *don&#039;t* feel the need to lead with the business card.

5. Not that anyone&#039;s on trial here, but as an observation: you followed us first, at least judging by the notice that Twitter sent us on February 20. It just took me a bit to catch up and follow you back.

Listen, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m laying down the law for anybody. But I know I *am* expressing a frustration shared by many users of Twitter who dislike auto-DMs.

Over to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Don. A few points:</p>
<p>1. Did I say anything about &#8220;a flood of auto-DMs&#8221;? My whole post is about the 1-on-1 nature of a Twitter DM. I can affirm that I *haven&#8217;t* received a flood of them. It&#8217;s just that many of the ones I *do* receive are grating, and I hate to see people undercut themselves like that.</p>
<p>2. We don&#8217;t follow people indiscriminately. We decline to follow back plenty of people who follow us. And yeah, we did follow a lot of people early on as we were getting the hang of Twitter, such that last summer we had something like 40% as many following us as we were following. Now that ratio is above 90%, and still rising.</p>
<p>3. Whining? Really? I wrote the post to suggest another &#8212; better &#8212; way of going about things. If we disagree about my tone, so be it, but I&#8217;m not a whiner by nature and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a fair characterization of what I was doing here.</p>
<p>4. There&#8217;s plenty of disagreement about what kind of coctail party Twitter should be, and I&#8217;m fine with a broad diversity of opinions about it. But for people who are trying to put the best foot forward, it&#8217;s better to undersell than oversell, just as it&#8217;s better to keep your business cards in your pocket before you&#8217;re *sure* the event you&#8217;re attending is a networking mixer. In this vein, it&#8217;s worth pointing out again that *most* Twitterites I&#8217;ve encountered *don&#8217;t* feel the need to lead with the business card.</p>
<p>5. Not that anyone&#8217;s on trial here, but as an observation: you followed us first, at least judging by the notice that Twitter sent us on February 20. It just took me a bit to catch up and follow you back.</p>
<p>Listen, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m laying down the law for anybody. But I know I *am* expressing a frustration shared by many users of Twitter who dislike auto-DMs.</p>
<p>Over to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Draper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only way way to receive a flood of auto-DMs: Follow a bunch of people indiscriminately.

I have no problem with following lots of people.  However you want to user Twitter is up to you.  But if you&#039;re following people to try to get known (such as, like the Hoover&#039;s account, when you&#039;re following +2K people and have fewer followers than friends), then don&#039;t whine about getting a welcoming message.

As for the party analogy, it really depends upon what kind of party you&#039;re at.  At business networking functions it&#039;s perfunctory to hand someone your business card as you greet them. Maybe that&#039;s not the party you&#039;re looking for, but remember, you came to my party.  You followed me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only way way to receive a flood of auto-DMs: Follow a bunch of people indiscriminately.</p>
<p>I have no problem with following lots of people.  However you want to user Twitter is up to you.  But if you&#8217;re following people to try to get known (such as, like the Hoover&#8217;s account, when you&#8217;re following +2K people and have fewer followers than friends), then don&#8217;t whine about getting a welcoming message.</p>
<p>As for the party analogy, it really depends upon what kind of party you&#8217;re at.  At business networking functions it&#8217;s perfunctory to hand someone your business card as you greet them. Maybe that&#8217;s not the party you&#8217;re looking for, but remember, you came to my party.  You followed me.</p>
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